Shining One

Joined

• started 82 topics
• posted 1,321 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Shining One

• 
  163

  The Bible...trust in Faith or trust in Fact?

  by jgnat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read the most extraordinary claim the other day.

  "the bible is factual.

  " i wondered, how could the speaker possibly back up such a claim?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  >Sorry the "Quote" feature is of no use to you. It's handy, for sure. Can you see quotes ok, or do they mess up your own view?
  Not at all.
  
  "I take it that you are not a hyper-preterist?"
  >Not exactly, no. I leave open the possibility of a bodily return. However my current understanding would be that Christ "returns" in every believer's life, and that a resurrection and judgement occurs at the transition from this life to the next. Otherwise, how is it that some have allegedly spent thousand of years in hell, if they've not already been judged?
  Little Toe, God exists outside of this timeline since time itself is a part of creation. God resides in eternity and He sees all, past, present and future (to us). At death the soul goes to the realm of that existence, therefore (from a eternal perspective) all souls return and reside in eternity. None of us are there longer than anyone else! You must remember, so much of the Bible is written with our understanding in mind, so anthromorphisms are always present in scripture.
  
  >While I hold the view of an immortal soul, I hold "hell" to be an "outer darkness" away from the face of God, rather than literally worms and sulphur. I believe that some choose to experience that in this life. Not only in this life, viz the end result of the pharisees and saducees who rejected the Christ despite the evidence of Him being the one foretold.
  Also, look at John 3:16-21: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
• 
  33

  Are You a Christian Because You Born in America?

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  follow this link and scroll down to the article, "solid ground".

  it explains the faulty logic of 'genetic fallacy'.

  learn from this site how to defend your belief against the logical errors typically used to dismiss christianity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  Blondie,
  The U.S. is just a 'for instance'. Any nation that was founded through western civilization would qualify for the genetic fallacy that is found when you follow the link.
  Rex
• 
  33

  Are You a Christian Because You Born in America?

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  follow this link and scroll down to the article, "solid ground".

  it explains the faulty logic of 'genetic fallacy'.

  learn from this site how to defend your belief against the logical errors typically used to dismiss christianity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  >because i don't have to worry about being right.
  
  You are definitely not 'right' that's for sure! LOL
  
  >i don't have to lie for any diety.
  
  You are your own 'diety', idolization of self comest to mind.
  
  >if i made a logical blunder somewhere, then i did. it doesn't matter! the nice thing is that i don't have to go to hell for it.
  
  That's right, you never have to go to hell for being mistaken nor for being sinful...
  Rex
• 
  33

  Are You a Christian Because You Born in America?

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  follow this link and scroll down to the article, "solid ground".

  it explains the faulty logic of 'genetic fallacy'.

  learn from this site how to defend your belief against the logical errors typically used to dismiss christianity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  Tetrasap,
  Your comments smell 'fishy' to me. Oh, and another thing, you may be attempting to 'poison the well' by relating the web site scholars to JWs. Why are you so bitter and vindictive in your tone?
  Rex
• 
  33

  Are You a Christian Because You Born in America?

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  follow this link and scroll down to the article, "solid ground".

  it explains the faulty logic of 'genetic fallacy'.

  learn from this site how to defend your belief against the logical errors typically used to dismiss christianity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  So Tdogg,
  Do I remain static or am I allowed to learn like the rest of you? I wonder why it is that so few of you 'logical and enlightened' individuals will not call one of your own 'out' for logical fallacies? Could it be that you are just as 'intellectually dishonest' as anyone else?
  Rex
• 
  33

  Are You a Christian Because You Born in America?

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  follow this link and scroll down to the article, "solid ground".

  it explains the faulty logic of 'genetic fallacy'.

  learn from this site how to defend your belief against the logical errors typically used to dismiss christianity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  >I saw a Christian defence of 'pro-life' mentioned there. Could you explain this to me in detail?
  Where in the Bible is abortion specifically prohibited? The Mosaic Law is very detailed, going as far as to give rules about the trim and composition of garments and how certain combinations of cooking ingredients were prohibited. As abortion was known and practised in antiquity, it should be specifically mentioned. Many neigbouring people also had rules against murder, yet practised abortion, so the Mosaic commandment against murder would not serve to provide a seperation or distinction from the surrounding people in itself. Only if it went further in an unambiguous manner, by specifically mentioning abortion, could it do so in this regard (if indeed god is opposed to abortion).
  
  I don't know that it speaks clearly to abortion. I also don't know how common it was and I don't much care. It is not relevant to the issue. Science has determined that abortion is the ending of a human life, a completely defensless human life at that. If that doesn't tell you it is murder then what will? We are no longer restricted by the law, civil or ceremonial. We have the conviction laid upon our hearts.
  
  >I am wary of falling victim to the pronouncement of Pharisaical hypocrites who add to god's law, but am sure the reply from someone of your character will clear up any doubts I have.
  
  OK
  Rex
• 
  23

  When believers attack!

  by daystar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  people often react most defensively when challenged not on their firmly held beliefs but on beliefs they wish were true but suspect at some level to be false.... .

  - christopher f. chabris.

  * snagged from an acquaintance's site as i thought it might be of interest here.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  Kid A,
  >As I have always stated, if I was given unequivocal evidence for the existence of a god, I would most certainly accept this fact at a logical level (regardless of how I felt about it at an emotional level).
  1) If you do not see the evidence in creation, you have no beginning point of reference.
  2) You will find no supernatural in the natural world. If you did you would no doubt say you were seeing things.
  >However, whenever I have debated with theists (and I cant speak for anybody on this board) they have flatly stated that no matter how much solid evidence was presented to them proving the non-existence of god, they would never accept this.
  What does 'solid', 'evidence' and 'proof' mean to you? Can all three be true at once?
  >In other words, my belief system is falsifiable and I have enough humility to accept that I may be mistaken. The theists I have discussed this with, simply reject a priori the possibility of their belief system being in error.
  I don't know about them but I do know that I have a personal relationship with the person of Jesus Christ. He is absolutely more 'real' than any alleged scientific evidence to the contrary.
  Rex
• 
  33

  Are You a Christian Because You Born in America?

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  follow this link and scroll down to the article, "solid ground".

  it explains the faulty logic of 'genetic fallacy'.

  learn from this site how to defend your belief against the logical errors typically used to dismiss christianity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  >I notice there are no black brothers. Is that why you are called Shining One?
  
  You have never seen one of our beloved black brothers sweating in the sun? Black people shine better than whites!
  Rex
• 
  33

  Are You a Christian Because You Born in America?

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  follow this link and scroll down to the article, "solid ground".

  it explains the faulty logic of 'genetic fallacy'.

  learn from this site how to defend your belief against the logical errors typically used to dismiss christianity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  Old Soul,
  >I just read your creed, Shining One. For all your animus at jgnat, I thought your creed would surely support your venom. Wow! I was surprised! No wonder you didn't want her seeing your religion's creed.
  
  Do you mean the 'statement of faith' from the web site?
  http://www.str.org/about/statemen.htm
  What are you yapping about? This is a apologetics web site, not a religion.
  Rex
• 
  33

  Are You a Christian Because You Born in America?

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  follow this link and scroll down to the article, "solid ground".

  it explains the faulty logic of 'genetic fallacy'.

  learn from this site how to defend your belief against the logical errors typically used to dismiss christianity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Shining One

  Oh Daunt.......
  
  http://www.str.org/free/commentaries/apologetics/comparisons/realmurd.htm
  Who are the real murderers, Atheism or Christianity? Go for it.
  Rex